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See, here's why I'm not worried.

A little bit ranty here, I suppose, but I tried my best to stay coherent. So here are my thoughts on "The Eclipse, Part 2."

Elle dying - not a worst case scenario for me. Yeah, I know; I love the actress, I love the character, and I would probably ship her with a lamp-post if she had any significant screentime with a lamp-post because she really has chemistry with just about anyone she's run into thus far.

Then can we have some Elle/Sandra fics please?

I'll think about it. But more importantly, back to the topic at hand. I'm not worried that Elle has just died for a few reasons. Firstly, this is Heroes, and so far no one has done fake-death better. And by "better" I mean "more often." Heroes means never having to reach the Pearly Gates, because there will always be one reason or another to bring you back - you're not really dead, you're in a flashback, you're a hallucination created to further someone's nefarious plot, etc.

And that's all just this season.

I know, right? Crazy shit happens on Mondays at nine, I swear. Besides that, there's the now-infamous spoiler pic of Elle with a Sylar haircut, but interestingly enough, her skullcap's still in place. While he might have refrained from popping her top because he already has her power, it doesn't make sense that he'd kill her that way and not, say, slice her throat, like he was about to do to HRG. Maybe he wanted to get in her head for, like, secrets or something, and then thought the better of it partway through.

So, seeing as this is Heroes, there's both a chance that Elle's not really dead, and that even if she is, this isn't the last time we'll be seeing her. But even if she's really, truly done-yuns, I'd rather that than any of the following scenarios. I wouldn't these past any of the writers, but I think they are all bad ideas.

Sylar/Gabriel lobotomizes Elle to "fix" her. He just told her that they'd never change. Plus, we like Elle for her mind... her fucked-up, crazy-ass, sociopathic mind. If he removes the "damaged" parts, how is that any different than what the Haitian could do? And didn't we already find out that that's mind-fuckery in the worst way?

Sylar/Gabriel/the viewers all think Elle's dead, only to have her show up later with a baby. I hate this trope. I feel that it reduces the ladyfolk to beasts of breeding that only serve the development of plot and other characters - never their own. Now, don't get me wrong, I love babies (I just can't ever finish a whole one in one sitting). I think that throwing babies into the mix can be an opportunity for depth and exploration and themes and issues and all that shiz when done properly. I do want to see how Sylar becomes Waffles!Gabriel in the future, but I'd like to see how his baby-mamma develops as well. Would she become Waffles!Elle or would she be Sociopath!Elle or would she be an !Elle we wouldn't see coming?

Okay so stop it with the exclamation points, it's really obnoxious.

Sorry. I got carried away. I was just saying that, by pushing a character off-screen only to bring her back with a baby-on-board, you're sacrificing all sorts of character development for the sake of furthering the plot (most likely nefarious in nature). The worst case scenario that I see right now is not that Elle gets "Sylarized" but rather she gets "Meg Manninged" into a coma while gestating, because I hate it when characters are turned into fetal incubators.

If Elle is really, truly, dead as a doornail, with no hope for her to come back ever, I just hope that we get to see the way other characters discover and react to it. From the looks of the aforementioned spoiler promo, Sylar is doing his best to cover his tracks, but I'd still like to see him deal with killing her. I don't want him to feel guilty, per se, especially if he's back to being a psycho, but does he relish it? Does he use it to show that he's not afraid to kill those close to him? How would Claire react, seeing as Elle has been set up to be her foil all along (even when it comes to being fucked by Sylar - one in the literal sense, and one in the "total mindfuck" sense, with an extra dose of violation on top)? What about Bennet, does he give a shit one way or another?

I could go on and on with rhetorical questions, but I'd like to end this little mental meandering on a more positive thought. And that is - Adrian Pasdar in handcuffs. Please and thank you.

ETA: Another reason I don't want Elle dead - the sex-leads-to-death trope is also totally played out.

And now here's a more important question to ponder: What is Mr. Muggles' first name?

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I agree with everything you said.

I don't even think the writers know what kind of !Elle their !Elle is anymore. I see more fucking continuity on ff.net.

My vote for Mr. Muggles first name is Magoo.

I don't even think the writers know what kind of !Elle their !Elle is anymore. I see more fucking continuity on ff.net.

And the writers' !Elle is indeed Dead!Elle, she's pretty much the sole property of fanfic authors anyway, unless they want to use her in more online comics or something.

I wouldn't put "Magoo" past Sandra Bennet.

What about Haunting Elle.
If Sylar has gone completely PSYCHO could he have crazy visions of Elle.
I could live with that, kinda.

Matt Parkman has Usutu, apparently. Why shouldn't Sylar have Elle?

Although he'd probably have a ton more ghosts following him around.

My fanfic sense is tingling again...

Elle can be the only one he feels guilt over.

If you fanfic sense is tingling I can send you many prompts which have nothing to do with dead Elle or this episode.
I even have AU ones, some even take place before season 1.

If you have many prompts, then I will definitely add them to my list of "fics to fulfill." I won't get to them right away, primarily because it's late and I'm sleepy, but I will hold on to them for later.

Sylar isn’t the only one Candice is keeping watch over at the start of season 2. Elle is chained up there as well. Her abilities have been malfunctioning ever since she gave birth to her and Gabriel’s baby. Bob took the baby and sent Elle away. She is put in Candice's keeping by the same person who ordered her to take care of Sylar. How would season two have gone after this revelation to Sylar?

WHOA.

Let me finish my WiP first, since this is obviously going to be longer than a drabble...

It would change the entire Maya/Alejandro arc as Gabriel would be with Elle.

While, some characters rarely stay dead on Heroes, others have not been heard of again. Simone, Eden, Charlie, Isaac, DL, etc.

You know, I've actually had the same thought you did with your second theory. Like she'd show up at the end of Volume 4 or something visibly pregnant. But even that seems too soap opera for Heroes. And Adrian Pasdar speaking French and in handcuffs was pretty awesome.

I feel like fic writers know how to write Elle and Sylar better than the writers of the show. They've been so all over the place, it's ridiculous.

Mr. Muggles' first name is clearly Mister. Anything else is not dignified enough for him.

In Season 1 they were a lot more willing to decimate their cast, because they didn't plan on keeping any of them around for the second. Everyone you mentioned got fridged either in Season 1 or very early on in Season 2. I don't think there's been a really jarring character death since then - Bob Bishop's was predictable, and Niki's was cheapened by the fact that Ali Larter is still playing her heretofore unmentioned sister. So it's about time they had a really meaningful death - Elle probably fits the bill quite nicely.

If Mr. Muggles' first name is "Mister" I'll bet the Haitian's first name is... "The."

True. But I did hear they are planning on letting go of more cast members because of trying to cut back on costs and production. But I'd like to think Kring & Co. enjoy having Kristen around to not kill her off the show permanently.

Haha, wouldn't surprise me if the Haitian's first name is "The". I mean, his dad only ever called him "Boy" when he was younger.

See, though, Kristen's not a cast member, she's a guest star. With a cast member, they're usually in or they're out. A guest star can pretty much come and go as they please, which leads me to think they'd want to keep Kristen as a wild card for future episodes.

Agree with everything except this:

"While he might have refrained from popping her top because he already has her power, it doesn't make sense that he'd kill her that way and not, say, slice her throat, like he was about to do to HRG."

Maybe Sylar wanted to slice HRG's throat because HRG slashed his throat--eye for an eye.

"Sylar/Gabriel/the viewers all think Elle's dead, only to have her show up later with a baby. I hate this trope. I feel that it reduces the ladyfolk to beasts of breeding that only serve the development of plot and other characters - never their own."--Agreed. This would suck and be so completely demeaning.

Ah, yes, the old-school poetic justice method of killing.

Still, the point remains - why return to his old modus operandi if he didn't need the brains? I can think of eleventy thousand ways Sylar could effectively kill people with all his fun powers.

But back in season 1 he almost killed Ando the same way.

See this face? This face right here? This is my fail face. Thanks for the reminder! :)

Yet another why the Season One DVDs are a high priority on my Christmas list this year.

Sylar is a cutter. Wait....that sounds interesting.

With Sylar's cutting and Peter's emo bangs, we could get a Heroes/Degrassi spin-off for the CW!

And Elle has had to much Electro-Shock therapy.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love babies (I just can't ever finish a whole one in one sitting).

OH GOD I SNORTED WHEN I LAUGHED

That's my ultimate goal in life. It's a textual assault on your sinus passages.

This was my favorite line as well. I just completely cracked up.

Aww, and I was all mopey for them killing my favorite ship.
You've restored my faith in...well...Kring's plot holes.
:D

Just don't trip! If you fall in I'll send a search party. With pie.

Okay, ideally (to me) this is how I think the whole thing should play out... granted that she's NOT dead. We see her survive Sylar's attack (and what looks to be attempted incineration). We see her character develop separately from Sylar... (at least 'til she and the audience knows she has a bun in the oven). Yeah, I said separately... it kills me to keep these crazy kids apart, but I think if it's going to work... he shouldn't automatically find out she's alive. *Whew* ANYWAY, Elle comes back into the fray... and say she does cross paths with Syler. There are several scenarios; Elle comes and frys his ass... then mid fight, there's the baby reveal. Or, they wait a little longer 'til a 'bulge' develops... then THAT would be a shocker. Guh, I don't know... There's so many possibilities, yet only a couple that they could convincingly pull off (in my opinion.)

But I like what you said... it took me a while to get over the shock that she could possibly be dead. Anyway, they said a blonde would die... and Claire 'technically' died. I don't know... wishful thinking?

xoxo

The beauty of the thing is that, even if that doesn't happen on the show, we can write it! *Insert evil laugh here, twirling of mustache optional.*

she is dead, and in the infamous pic we see her skullcap in place because this is a live photo, and we don't see the visual effects. (like sylar's promo pic from 3.10, he was testing elle's power, but we don't see it).

True fact. I forget that visual effects aren't added to the spoiler photos.

I know we are all a little in denial, but frankly is really useless hope for something different. She is dead. The way they do it pissed me off a lot. :/

I don't doubt that she's dead, but is she Nathan-Petrelli-dead or Simone-Deveaux dead? And she got totally fridged, I agree - Elle has probably been the most victimized character on the show, which is strange, considering she was always such a badass victim.

I'll admit that some theories are grasping at straws, but speculation is half the fun for me. Then, when things don't turn out the way I expect or want, I can just write fic about it later...

I think she is dead-dead. A simone deveaux/Eden death.
They retcon her character and then killed her? I'm really disappointed. She was a brave fighter, for god sake, not a whimpering little girl!

The reason I don't mourn too much Elle' s death are the fanfic! :D we still have the AU or even the Future we've seen... They still can have their happy ending, like Sylar said: Not a good boy, but something like HRG: Home, family and not afraid to do the job he have to do.
:)

See, Sylar/Elle was my only reason for watching this mess anymore because the rest of the show bores me to tears. And if she really is dead, I won't be watching anymore. It means that Sylar's "redemption" arc and character development were all for nothing and he'll go back to being the one-dimensional villian he used to be. Bleh.

The show is a mess, I'll give you that, but there are still enough pretty people to hold my attention for an hour or so.

I wonder, though, if just because this redemption arc failed for Sylar, whether another one further down the road might succeed.

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